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Genmab — Januar 2024

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    Plimsoller
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    #1036

    Når det så er sagt så skal der ske et eller andet. Jeg (og mange andre herinde) har stadigvæk tillid til Genmab, men det er jo ligegyldigt når markedet ikke har. Jeg aner ikke om nedgangen i kursen er retfærdig ifht. de sidste 3-4 års præstationer. Det må andre bedømme, og mon ikke det vil være en god ide at få kigget lidt på det og agere derefter.

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      JKY_VH
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      #1037

      Riis7 12:52, jeg ser nu bare "fejringen" som et udtryk for den gode værkstedshumor som Genmab-aktionærerne på PI har i stor stil;-)

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        JørgenVarnæs
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        #1038

        Udfordringen her (med cashbeholding og dara) er at Genmab egentlig blot er en obligation - og ikke et udviklingsselskab. Dara bliver på forunderlig vis en poison-pill for de investorer, der gerne vil have fat i nye programmer, de kan bruge deres salgsapparat til at smide på markedet

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          JørgenVarnæs
          wrote on sidst redigeret af
          #1039

          Lige nu er dara+cash i grove terme jo lig værdien af Genmab. Derfor skal man have dkk 120 mia ud af muldvarpen, før man kommer i nærheden af det, som skaber værdi for en industriel opkøber

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            E_L
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            #1040

            I would say there is a good chance you could strip Dara out of the company and sell the royalty stream back to JNJ, at a price that could potentially be beneficial to both JNJ and an acquirer that is not interested in a low risk/low upside royalty stream. and include the rights to HexaCD38

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              JørgenVarnæs
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              #1041

              Would make sense - but can you imagine Jan letting go of the proceeds? Easier to squeeze blood from a stone…

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                Plimsoller
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                #1042

                E L, do you mean that the full rights to Hexa could be acquired by a third party?

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                  JKY_VH
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                  #1043

                  Jeg kan slet ikke forstå, at JNJ ikke har regnet den hjem endnu, men som JV påpeger må der være mange nødstedte warrents. Med det mindset, som jeg desværre tror bestyrelsen har, så kan det måske være startskuddet til at få åbnet op for regnearket. Jeg bliver ikke overrasket, hvis det ender i et take-over. Jan er jo heller ikke noget årsunge og han har om nogen "hånden på kogepladen" og dermed økonomiske interesser på spil.

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                    JørgenVarnæs
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                    #1044

                    I know I’m a bit of a downer, but GEN has provided plenty of bitter seeds lately - why the fu€%#€%ing h#”€%€&ll has GEN hoarded so much cash - and still entered into a 50/50 agreement with abbvie on Epco?

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                      JørgenVarnæs
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                      #1045

                      It seems GEN has spent loads of money on building a commercial organization anyway - so we get both the cost and the downside of reduced ownership

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                        Plimsoller
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                        #1046

                        50/50 or similar makes sense to me as all the money in the world can't buy you the expertise of selling and distributing (at least not immediately). I don't think the commercial organisation is mature enough (yet) to get the full benefit out of EPCO.

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                          Plimsoller
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                          #1047

                          Maybe they are planning different percentages for the next ones, and that is why they are ramping up.

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                            JørgenVarnæs
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                            #1048

                            @el - what you are describing seems like a very complex transaction. In Actelion they did something similar - but the difference is in Actelion, the company had retained the commercial rights

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                              JørgenVarnæs
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                              #1049

                              That was for EL…

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                                E_L
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                                #1050

                                no, this is certainly not what Jan wants; he wants going concern

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                                  E_L
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                                  #1051

                                  but in case of a take over bid, the bidder could choose to go that way

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                                    JørgenVarnæs
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                                    #1052

                                    Plimsoller - if GEN does not intend to use the money for development - why keep it?

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                                      E_L
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                                      #1053

                                      @Plimsoller everything can be sold, for the right price 😉 -but again, certainly don't see Genmab going that way

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                                        JørgenVarnæs
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                                        #1054

                                        Seems very complicated - and a very round about way to juggle usd 15 - 20 billion

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                                          E_L
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                                          #1055

                                          it isn't really that complicated, you just sell your rights to the royalties. And as a takeover party you need a lot less cash.

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