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Genmab — Januar 2024

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    JørgenVarnæs
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    #1044

    I know I’m a bit of a downer, but GEN has provided plenty of bitter seeds lately - why the fu€%#€%ing h#”€%€&ll has GEN hoarded so much cash - and still entered into a 50/50 agreement with abbvie on Epco?

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      #1045

      It seems GEN has spent loads of money on building a commercial organization anyway - so we get both the cost and the downside of reduced ownership

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        Plimsoller
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        #1046

        50/50 or similar makes sense to me as all the money in the world can't buy you the expertise of selling and distributing (at least not immediately). I don't think the commercial organisation is mature enough (yet) to get the full benefit out of EPCO.

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          Plimsoller
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          #1047

          Maybe they are planning different percentages for the next ones, and that is why they are ramping up.

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            JørgenVarnæs
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            #1048

            @el - what you are describing seems like a very complex transaction. In Actelion they did something similar - but the difference is in Actelion, the company had retained the commercial rights

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              JørgenVarnæs
              wrote on sidst redigeret af
              #1049

              That was for EL…

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                E_L
                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                #1050

                no, this is certainly not what Jan wants; he wants going concern

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                  E_L
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                  #1051

                  but in case of a take over bid, the bidder could choose to go that way

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                    #1052

                    Plimsoller - if GEN does not intend to use the money for development - why keep it?

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                      E_L
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                      #1053

                      @Plimsoller everything can be sold, for the right price 😉 -but again, certainly don't see Genmab going that way

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                        JørgenVarnæs
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                        #1054

                        Seems very complicated - and a very round about way to juggle usd 15 - 20 billion

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                          #1055

                          it isn't really that complicated, you just sell your rights to the royalties. And as a takeover party you need a lot less cash.

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                            #1056

                            But I’m sure we can agree - if GEN is not sold at this current stock level - it is not going to happen in the foreseeable future

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                              #1057

                              Now you’re assuming Jan is game for that. Hell will freeze over a lot sooner

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                                #1058

                                However, it would be a great way to say - we will neverneverever do business with you again!

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                                  #1059

                                  Fully agree. But in the end; the shareholders decide, not Jan

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                                    #1060

                                    E L. Well understood - thank you 🙂 I must admit that I don't see that happening. If the H2H results with Dara are positive then JNJ will want to keep it for themselves (maybe not opt in but keep others away), and if they are negative, then the bidder wouldn't be very interested, or would be getting it for very little.

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                                      #1061

                                      Am I the only one wondering about the silence from GEN?

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                                        #1062

                                        agree. this is more for the hypothetical case that a potential bidder could decrease this cost price by selling off the CD38 franchise

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                                          E_L
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                                          #1063

                                          it is the quiet period JV. You will hear from Jan again after the earnings.

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