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  • BudweisB Offline
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    Budweis
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    #1094

    Her er historien om Genmabs guldmiddel

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    • BudweisB Offline
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      Budweis
      wrote on sidst redigeret af
      #1095

      http://www.business.dk/medico/genmabs-guldaeg-kan-blive-dobbelt-saa-stort-paa-en-nat

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      • BudweisB Offline
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        Budweis
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        #1096

        Genmabs guldæg kan blive dobbelt så stort på en nat

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        • N Offline
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          Nickstar
          wrote on sidst redigeret af
          #1097

          det er vel mere el mindre allerede priset ind i kursen, at det godkendes?

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          • BudweisB Offline
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            Budweis
            wrote on sidst redigeret af
            #1098

            Ja.

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              Budweis
              wrote on sidst redigeret af
              #1099

              Men Jan er er endnu engang meget positiv overfor mulighederne og fremdriften udenfor MM. De er ikke priset
              ind.

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              • B Offline
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                bibob
                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                #1100

                Jeg er ikke helt sikker på at MM er priset helt ind. Når der kommer godkendelse i Japan og andre regioner vil salget i MM blive en del større. Jeg tror ikke helt analytikerne har regnet på det endnu. Udenfor MM er der store forhåbninger, og vi får jo nok nogen indikationer i år på mulighederne.

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                • Helge_LarsenPI-redaktørH Offline
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                  Helge_LarsenPI-redaktør
                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                  #1101

                  Generelt har analytikerne
                  et topsalgs estimat på 8-10 milliarder dollar. Det indeholder efter min bedste overbevisning det samlede globale salg.

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                  • B Offline
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                    bibob
                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                    #1102

                    Ok Helge. - Lidt uenig. 😉 Men jeg tror kun at det dækker når MM bliver standard behandling i USA og EU. De kan vel ikke allerede lave beregninger før ansøgninger er tilsendt ( Japan som er sendt for nylig ) og Asien som helhed hvor der vist mangler mange lande fra. Inc Kina. Det er store områder at lave beregninger på. Det er så bare min ydmyge mening. 🙂

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                      JKY_VH
                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
                      #1103

                      Det er muligt du har ret Helge, men en joker er spørgsmålet om, hvor længe patienterne bliver i behandling med Darzalex. Vedligeholdelsesbehandlingen kan således godt overstige analytikernes estimater betydeligt.

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                        Bulder
                        wrote on sidst redigeret af
                        #1104

                        Visse analytikere har et topsalgsestimat på 8 mia $ i MM alene. Hvis vi antager at det holder, så er 2.+ linje ca 4 mia værd. Og det er hvad dagens kurs ca afspejler. 2. linje ww er med andre ord fuldt indregnet. Det kan da godt være at EMA-godkendelse vil give lidt stigning, men næppe meget. Det helt helt afgørende er gode Alcyone-data, som vil sparke døren ind til 1. linje og dermed til den anden halvdel af markedet.

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                          GlobalMacro 0
                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                          #1105

                          Dear Genmab believers, I often see comments about “Dara MM sales fully priced in”. If you have 5 minutes, read these comments and I will promise you you’ll have a great Easter Sunday!

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                            GlobalMacro 0
                            wrote on sidst redigeret af
                            #1106

                            Based on multiple drivers I believe Dara in MM is not fully priced in. And this has everything to do with the analyst projections, these just don’t reflect the data.

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                              GlobalMacro 0
                              wrote on sidst redigeret af
                              #1107

                              What drives this?: 1) Analysts don’t have the courage to reflect the real data in their models (with a price target of +50% or even +100% they would look like fools to their customers, nobody has the courage to do this) 2) The penetration assumptions in first and second line are still very low

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                                GlobalMacro 0
                                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                #1108
                                1. Also the treatment duration per patient is very low. Analysts are accounting for 24 months Dara treatment, while we already saw in the Pollux data that the PFS is going +50 months, regarding first line we’ve already heard some doctors speaking of Dara maintenance in the range of 5 years till 10 years.
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                                  GlobalMacro 0
                                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                  #1109

                                  SO, LET THIS ALL SINK IN FOR A MOMENT….

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                                    GlobalMacro 0
                                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                    #1110

                                    Average analyst model: low penetration in first line (20% - 50%) and 24 months Dara treatment, what if this gets updated to 60% - 75% first line penetration and 7,5 years of Dara treatment??! Conclusion: The current MM peak sales estimation is far from what it will be in 10 – 15 years from now. I believe the MM only sales will go to 15 – 20 billion.

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                                      GlobalMacro 0
                                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                      #1111

                                      So what does this say, and how can you find out? There’s only one way and that is by making the calculations yourself.

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                                        GlobalMacro 0
                                        wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                        #1112

                                        I did some calculations, based on the 15 and 20 billion peak sales scenario’s. And I put in a few very soft assumptions: 1) Total shares outstanding in 2030: 65 million (currently 61 million) 2) Net profit margin Genmab in 2030: 75% (With such high royalty income the margin in reality will be significant higher) 3) Average royalty: 18% 4) Currency USD/DKK: 7.00 DKK per 1 USD

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                                          GlobalMacro 0
                                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                          #1113

                                          Based on these assumptions and a stock price of 2500 DKK the P/E will be: 15 billion USD peak sales = +/- 19 billion DKK royalty, 75% net profit = 14.2 billion DKK net profit = 11 P/E 15 billion USD peak sales = +/- 25 billion DKK royalty, 75% net profit = 18.9 billion DKK net profit = 8 P/E J&J at the moment has a P/E of 18 and Roche of 22, off course P/E’s at the moment are quite high however

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