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  • BulderB Offline
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    Bulder
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    #146

    E L: Tried to read your link after one cup of coffee. Not enough. Then I added one Heineken. Didn't help. Then another Heineken. Nope. Then I gave up. What about you?

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      E_L
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      #147

      I started with the Heineken. Didn't help. Then another Heineken. Nope. So then I tried the coffee. No luck. Now just waiting for Sukkeralf to explain it to us 😉

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        Parasitism
        wrote on sidst redigeret af
        #148

        Jeg gider ikke engang prøve, når I to ikke kan udlede noget af det 😉

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        • BulderB Offline
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          Bulder
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          #149

          Jeg prøver alligevel: Er det noget med at man kan bruge NK-celler fra raske donorer til at modvirke at mikromiljøet omkring tumorerne hæmmer patientens egne NK-cellers aktivitet? Dara udvirker ADCC via NK-cellerne, men disse hæmmes af visse faktorer i mikromiljøet. Tilførsel af fremmede NK-celler kan således forstærke effekten af dara. ??

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            Doc4
            wrote on sidst redigeret af
            #150

            ...hvis nogen ønsker den fulde artikel...kræver STOR indsigt og viden om den meget specifikke terminology...https://sci-hub.hk/https://doi.org/10.1007/s00262-018-2140-1

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            • BulderB Offline
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              Bulder
              wrote on sidst redigeret af
              #151

              er jeg helt på vildspor, Doc4?

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                Doc4
                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                #152

                ...og her er en ny oversigtsartikel...'CD38-targeting antibodies in multiple myeloma:
                mechanisms of action and clinical experience'....fuld artikel...https://sci-hub.hk/10.1080/1744666X.2018.1443809

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                  Doc4
                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                  #153

                  @Bulder..Min umiddelbare mening...tjae, nok noget;), men det er en særdeles vanskellig artikel og jeg har pt desværre ikke tid til nærlæsning:(. Dara, fx, i sig selv hæmmer/mindsker CD-38 receptorerne efter første infusion med 90%.

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                    gentogen
                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                    #154

                    Jeg læser det som dig Bulder, men pointen er vist på sin vis lidt den omvendte, at NK-terapi kan understøttes af forskellige ADCC 'triggering antibodies', hvor Dara er et eksempel

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                    • BulderB Offline
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                      Bulder
                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
                      #155

                      Jo, men problemet er at CD38 også udtrykkes på NK-cellerne, hvorved dara selv er med til at mindske effekten af ADCC, fordi dara slår nogle af NK-cellerne ihjel. Derfor tilførsel af donor-NK-celler som kan igen forstærke ADCC-processen.

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                        Bulder
                        wrote on sidst redigeret af
                        #156

                        Fra Doc4's link: In summary, we showed in this study that the combination
                        of an ADCC triggering antibody and selection of KIRligand
                        mismatched donors is a potent and realistic platform
                        to potentiate the NK cell antitumor response in the TME.

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                          Legolas23
                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                          #157

                          Altså effekt i solide - i teorien ?

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                          • BulderB Offline
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                            Bulder
                            wrote on sidst redigeret af
                            #158

                            Mere af samme skuffe: The antitumor potential of
                            NK cells can be applied by donor NK-cell infusion as well
                            as by haploidentical stem-cell transplantation.

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                              Bulder
                              wrote on sidst redigeret af
                              #159

                              Der er altså - som jeg forstår det - en indbygget svaghed i dara, ved at dara selv slår (nogle af) de NK-celler ihjel, som den lige har trigget til at forårsage ADCC.

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                                Bulder
                                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                #160

                                Og til sidst: Therefore, we
                                envision that the combination of ADCC triggering antibodies
                                and KIR-ligand mismatching is a favorable combination
                                to be tested in future clinical studies, both in the context of
                                HaploSCT, potentially in combination with NK cell infusions,
                                as well as single donor NK-cell infusion. - Haplo... er transplantation.

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                                  Bulder
                                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                  #161

                                  Og jeg antager - på linje med Lego - at dette har betydning ud over MM også i andre tumorer, hvor ADCC spiller en rolle.

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                                    Legolas23
                                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                    #162

                                    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5728278/

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                                      Bulder
                                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
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                                      Tak Lego. In conclusion, our findings demonstrate that NK cells, which express high levels of CD38, are reduced by daratumumab treatment in a rapid, reversible, dose- and concentration-dependent manner. This reduction in NK-cell counts was not associated with response to daratumumab or PFS. In addition, reduction of NK cells was not associated with an increase in safety concerns or AEs, including infections.

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                                        Bulder
                                        wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                        #164

                                        Så der er ikke den store negative effekt af dara's reduktion af NK-celler. Men det andet studie, som E L linkede til mener til gengæld at tilførsel af donor-NK-celler kan forstærke effekten.

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                                          Bulder
                                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                          #165

                                          Altså forstærke dara's ADCC effekt.

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