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  • BudweisB Offline
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    Budweis
    wrote on sidst redigeret af
    #1099

    Men Jan er er endnu engang meget positiv overfor mulighederne og fremdriften udenfor MM. De er ikke priset
    ind.

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      bibob
      wrote on sidst redigeret af
      #1100

      Jeg er ikke helt sikker på at MM er priset helt ind. Når der kommer godkendelse i Japan og andre regioner vil salget i MM blive en del større. Jeg tror ikke helt analytikerne har regnet på det endnu. Udenfor MM er der store forhåbninger, og vi får jo nok nogen indikationer i år på mulighederne.

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      • Helge_LarsenPI-redaktørH Offline
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        Helge_LarsenPI-redaktør
        wrote on sidst redigeret af
        #1101

        Generelt har analytikerne
        et topsalgs estimat på 8-10 milliarder dollar. Det indeholder efter min bedste overbevisning det samlede globale salg.

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        • B Offline
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          bibob
          wrote on sidst redigeret af
          #1102

          Ok Helge. - Lidt uenig. 😉 Men jeg tror kun at det dækker når MM bliver standard behandling i USA og EU. De kan vel ikke allerede lave beregninger før ansøgninger er tilsendt ( Japan som er sendt for nylig ) og Asien som helhed hvor der vist mangler mange lande fra. Inc Kina. Det er store områder at lave beregninger på. Det er så bare min ydmyge mening. 🙂

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            JKY_VH
            wrote on sidst redigeret af
            #1103

            Det er muligt du har ret Helge, men en joker er spørgsmålet om, hvor længe patienterne bliver i behandling med Darzalex. Vedligeholdelsesbehandlingen kan således godt overstige analytikernes estimater betydeligt.

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            • BulderB Offline
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              Bulder
              wrote on sidst redigeret af
              #1104

              Visse analytikere har et topsalgsestimat på 8 mia $ i MM alene. Hvis vi antager at det holder, så er 2.+ linje ca 4 mia værd. Og det er hvad dagens kurs ca afspejler. 2. linje ww er med andre ord fuldt indregnet. Det kan da godt være at EMA-godkendelse vil give lidt stigning, men næppe meget. Det helt helt afgørende er gode Alcyone-data, som vil sparke døren ind til 1. linje og dermed til den anden halvdel af markedet.

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              • G Offline
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                GlobalMacro 0
                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                #1105

                Dear Genmab believers, I often see comments about “Dara MM sales fully priced in”. If you have 5 minutes, read these comments and I will promise you you’ll have a great Easter Sunday!

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                • G Offline
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                  GlobalMacro 0
                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                  #1106

                  Based on multiple drivers I believe Dara in MM is not fully priced in. And this has everything to do with the analyst projections, these just don’t reflect the data.

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                    GlobalMacro 0
                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                    #1107

                    What drives this?: 1) Analysts don’t have the courage to reflect the real data in their models (with a price target of +50% or even +100% they would look like fools to their customers, nobody has the courage to do this) 2) The penetration assumptions in first and second line are still very low

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                    • G Offline
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                      GlobalMacro 0
                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
                      #1108
                      1. Also the treatment duration per patient is very low. Analysts are accounting for 24 months Dara treatment, while we already saw in the Pollux data that the PFS is going +50 months, regarding first line we’ve already heard some doctors speaking of Dara maintenance in the range of 5 years till 10 years.
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                        GlobalMacro 0
                        wrote on sidst redigeret af
                        #1109

                        SO, LET THIS ALL SINK IN FOR A MOMENT….

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                          GlobalMacro 0
                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                          #1110

                          Average analyst model: low penetration in first line (20% - 50%) and 24 months Dara treatment, what if this gets updated to 60% - 75% first line penetration and 7,5 years of Dara treatment??! Conclusion: The current MM peak sales estimation is far from what it will be in 10 – 15 years from now. I believe the MM only sales will go to 15 – 20 billion.

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                            GlobalMacro 0
                            wrote on sidst redigeret af
                            #1111

                            So what does this say, and how can you find out? There’s only one way and that is by making the calculations yourself.

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                              GlobalMacro 0
                              wrote on sidst redigeret af
                              #1112

                              I did some calculations, based on the 15 and 20 billion peak sales scenario’s. And I put in a few very soft assumptions: 1) Total shares outstanding in 2030: 65 million (currently 61 million) 2) Net profit margin Genmab in 2030: 75% (With such high royalty income the margin in reality will be significant higher) 3) Average royalty: 18% 4) Currency USD/DKK: 7.00 DKK per 1 USD

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                                GlobalMacro 0
                                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                #1113

                                Based on these assumptions and a stock price of 2500 DKK the P/E will be: 15 billion USD peak sales = +/- 19 billion DKK royalty, 75% net profit = 14.2 billion DKK net profit = 11 P/E 15 billion USD peak sales = +/- 25 billion DKK royalty, 75% net profit = 18.9 billion DKK net profit = 8 P/E J&J at the moment has a P/E of 18 and Roche of 22, off course P/E’s at the moment are quite high however

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                                  GlobalMacro 0
                                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                  #1114

                                  this would mean that with a stock price 4000 DKK and the assumptions above Genmab would still be under the P/E of J&J.

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                                    GlobalMacro 0
                                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                    #1115

                                    LET THAT SINK IN: 4000 DKK would mean: 15 billion USD peak sales = 17 P/E 20 billion USD peak sales = 13 P/E

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                                      GlobalMacro 0
                                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                      #1116

                                      Thus, when the penetration data and the duration of treatment per patient will reflect the reality, the peak sales will go up significantly, maybe even double from the current level. Therefore the stock price has room to move up to 4000 DKK based on MM alone.

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                                        GlobalMacro 0
                                        wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                        #1117

                                        The real question is, do analyst have the courage to reflect the real data in their models? I believe this will happen, however will go very gradually: stock moves higher > analysts update their models. Of course this will not fully happen in the next 2 years, however when we keep getting good data (Pollux PFS updates, ORR in Alcyone study and faster than expected sales growth) the analysts will definitely have to update their models fast.

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                                          GlobalMacro 0
                                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                          #1118

                                          Would love to hear what you guys think, maybe I missed something. However, I believe the direction I’m going is sound. The assumptions of the analyst are very very low and with the data we’ve already seen the peak sales is going to beg significantly higher. Next time I’ll write a blog post 🙂

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