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    #1152

    hmmm, i think i wrote this almost as cryptic as novartis lol

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      #1153

      ...ok - for some odd reason, patients prefer to pay for the drug rather than to get it for free

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        #1154

        lol, don't think it works like that 😉 they must have been able to divert more patients to programs that don't benefit from the free sales

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          #1155

          don't forget there is a whole eco system around selling drugs that also does not benefit if sales are free...

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            #1156

            so i imagine there will be providers or even MD's that will not get paid their % of the revenue if it is for free, so they have an incentive help NVS...

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              JørgenVarnæs
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              #1157

              It only makes sense to me if Novartis have confused those numbers - and percentage sales goes from 65% to 75%.

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                #1158

                Do you know when the “bridging program” ends? Sounds like Q3

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                  #1159

                  it depends on when they stop offering it i guess; it was approved Q3 last year, a 12 month program, so Q3 this year first will fall of. But those that got into the program in Q1 may have until Q1 next year?

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                    #1160

                    It certainly sounds like there is a long tail of “free sales” in those numbers

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                      #1161

                      on the %, numbers just for easy illustration- imagine they first thought H1 25M sales and H2 75M ; H2 would be 75% of sales.

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                        #1162

                        Now they think H1 50M sales and H2 90M ; H2 would be
                        64% of sales.

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                          #1163

                          Sanofi: First-quarter Sarclisa® sales were €34 million driven by
                          additional country launches. First-quarter sales in the U.S. and in Europe were €12 million and €13 million, respectively.
                          In Rest of the World sales (€9 million) were driven by a strong performance in Japan.

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                            So, basically what they are saying is H1 paid sales have surprised us, but we leave guidance for H2 paid sales unchanged - that is why this “percentage sales” will decrease...?

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                              JørgenVarnæs
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                              #1165

                              Makes sense in a very arse-backwards-we-insist-on-not-making-sense sort of way...

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                                almost; in my example H2 also went up versus expectation, just not as much as H1

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                                  in real numbers, lets say Q2 will grow to for example 75M. Then H1 ends up at 125M. To make their % correct we would need 230M in H2 to get to 65%. So that would total full year sales at 355M. So i think we can use something like that for now as 2021 estimate

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                                    @ 09.42 it could be a 'long' tail, but given that 70% is already paid, it will not be a 'large' tail

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                                      #1169

                                      Sorry. Had to step out to learn the missus to handle the motorbike. Your calcs defininately sound right. Thanks for that!

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                                        Learn/teach.

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                                          What a waste - How about teaching her the lawnmover instead ?

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